Obsidian
Active Member
37 minutes is still slower than the bus.
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Finch West Line 6 LRT
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hw621
Senior Member
Someone should start a petition.
T3G
Senior Member
Well, no, the average travel time for the bus is that much.
Finch West Line 6 LRT
"overdesigning, the cycle of lack of knowledge retention reliance on external consultants, inflated soft costs" Yeah, but lots of people including myself like to be technically correct. So there is a lot of "ummm ackshually, TTC/Metrolinx aren't that wasteful, we don't have slave labour and we...
And most of the time (read: not always) that's faster than the actual scheduled time. Besides, 37 would be shortening the journey time by almost 20 minutes compared to opening day, that's not bad at all. There may be room for more improvements if we raised the line top speed, though - I would be really interested in seeing what kind of average speed we would achieve if every LRV accelerated to track speed as fast as possible, and then maintained that speed until the next stop.
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T-Bor
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yes with zero traffic, but a few pages back someone showed data over a 24 hour period whereby the average bus took 51 minutes.
Bojaxs
Senior Member
On my way to North York to check out the Finch West LRT for the first time.
Will provide a brief reaction after I finish "hate- riding" the line.
Will provide a brief reaction after I finish "hate- riding" the line.
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urbanclient
Active Member
That is straight up misinformation, the 36 bus' averages and medians for both ways are all below 37 minutes, except for the 37:20 median for Humber to Finch West. The current highest travel time for Line 6 is more than 60 minutes, and average Line 6 trips are near the highest travel time for the 36 bus at 52-63 minutes.
Top comment: "I was driving during rush hour and all the shuttle buses were packed while the trams were hardly full. By evening it looked like a majority of commuters intentionally chose the jam packed shuttle buses because it was much faster"
Obsidian
Active Member
in low traffic, the bus makes the trip in 31 minutes with more stops (see citytv report below).Well, no, the average travel time for the bus is that much.
Finch West Line 6 LRT
"overdesigning, the cycle of lack of knowledge retention reliance on external consultants, inflated soft costs" Yeah, but lots of people including myself like to be technically correct. So there is a lot of "ummm ackshually, TTC/Metrolinx aren't that wasteful, we don't have slave labour and we...urbantoronto.ca
And most of the time (read: not always) that's faster than the actual scheduled time. Besides, 37 would be shortening the journey time by almost 20 minutes compared to opening day, that's not bad at all. There may be room for more improvements if we raised the line top speed, though - I would be really interested in seeing what kind of average speed we would achieve if every LRV accelerated to track speed as fast as possible, and then maintained that speed until the next stop.
The LRT has no traffic and is aiming for 37 minutes????
urbanclient
Active Member
Maybe they did aim for 37 many moons or years ago? They're aiming for 46 minutes in the future, basically conceding that their current schedule is worthless.
Obsidian
Active Member
So the bus beating the LRT by 6 minutes in low traffic is ok??
Shouldn't the LRT always beat the bus regardless of how much traffic there is.
Again Bus in low traffic with more stops takes 31 minutes
Future goal of the LRT in no traffic 37 Minutes.
Also the 36 bus came twice as frequent (every 5 minutes) as the LRT so riders are having both a slower trip and having to wait twice as long for their vehicles.
If you add on the extra time waiting to the 16 minutes longer travel time. then a riders is now spending 21 minutes more on their trip than before in low traffic conditions.
Am i taking crazy pills or this doesn't make sense.
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drum118
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I have already stated during the testing phase that buses were a lot faster than the LRVs and not a good sign for the line,
Thaboss
Active Member
Its true you did...and lots of ppl, including myself in secret, where skeptical of you. I will now proceed to eat crow.
Question, when finch was being tested last year was the LRT keeping up with buses ?
T3G
Senior Member
As I said, bus drivers are speed demons. It is fairly regular occurrence for them to drive over the speed limit and weave through traffic quite aggressively, and for reasons unknown to anyone but the top minds of the TTC, there has been no safety crackdown on this mode of transport. So obviously they'll be able to make the journey even faster. The question is, is that behaviour we should want replicated on the Finch line?
And for anyone who doesn't believe me, I just went on TransSee, opened the trip history for a random group of vehicles, and looked at the most recent trip. How does one go from being a minute ahead of schedule to 6+ minutes ahead of schedule, if normal operational protocol is being followed?
At some point, this becomes not only a discourse about LRT speeds, but about the TTC's ability to manage their employees more generally. A fat load of good a bus running faster than the scheduled time does you, if the frequencies are low and you go to the bus stop at the scheduled time like some sort of chump, and find your bus zoomed by 5-10 minutes ago. There was a TTC employee on the CPTDB who openly bragged on the forum a couple of years back about how they managed to run hot on the 123 on every trip and squeeze as much break times out of the trip as possible. It's simply not fair to compare LRT speeds to such buses, the only valid comparison is to the buses that actually followed the printed schedule.
And for anyone who doesn't believe me, I just went on TransSee, opened the trip history for a random group of vehicles, and looked at the most recent trip. How does one go from being a minute ahead of schedule to 6+ minutes ahead of schedule, if normal operational protocol is being followed?
At some point, this becomes not only a discourse about LRT speeds, but about the TTC's ability to manage their employees more generally. A fat load of good a bus running faster than the scheduled time does you, if the frequencies are low and you go to the bus stop at the scheduled time like some sort of chump, and find your bus zoomed by 5-10 minutes ago. There was a TTC employee on the CPTDB who openly bragged on the forum a couple of years back about how they managed to run hot on the 123 on every trip and squeeze as much break times out of the trip as possible. It's simply not fair to compare LRT speeds to such buses, the only valid comparison is to the buses that actually followed the printed schedule.
Obsidian
Active Member
urbanclient
Active Member
And frankly, I wish more of us believed you. Now there are people on the Eglinton thread that are putting up blinders when I say both the advertised 38 and revised 42 minute travel time for Eglinton are completely unrealistic.
Assuming similar operating practices and lack of strong signal priority.
Is this ignorance or a fifth column?
The bus goes as low as 23 minutes with no traffic. See @T3G 's post. As I showed earlier, 10+8 minutes of time is wasted stopped at red lights and stops, who knows how many minutes are wasted due to the braindead speed limits. Even if driven slowly for safety and lowered maintenance (among other overstated reasons), the LRT should easily average in the low 30s.