picard102
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America is incredibly racist.
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2025 Canadian General Election
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nfitz
Superstar
It certainly is ... but the most electable Democrat presidential candidate in a generation has been black.
To desire a white guy is unacceptably racist.
That's the same as desiring a white guy leading the NDP because they might get more labour votes because of issues of racism.
picard102
Senior Member
Trump is a direct response to Obama though, it energized white supremacy in the US in a way that no white candidate ever could have.
It gave racists like Trump a platform with his birther nonsense and now he's president, he's brought with him people set on destroying the country with roots in South Africa under white rule.
I do not think we'll ever see a POC as president in my lifetime again.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
To beat Trump in 2024? We may hate the message, but that's what the Dems needed. Trump fully motivated the white trash and racist underbelly of America, steamrolling over Kamala's wave of DEI, progressives and inclusivists. If you wanted to beat Trump in Nov 2024 the Dems needed to bring their own counter Trump. Put Mayor Pete back into the closet and he would have smoked Trump. OTOH, I'm not even sure 2008's Obama could defeat 2024's Trump. It's a shitty system and society in the USA, but you can go low, play dirty and win or go high and lose.
And we can't sit happy in Canada either. Had the LPC put forth a POC, like Anand or Virani I'd say the Libs would have a lot more trouble, especially in Quebec and the more racist corners of rural Canada. Heck, had they put forth a highly qualified white woman like Freeland the LPCs would get smoked on Monday.
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nfitz
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There's no way in the world Singh is getting more than 15 seats - and that would be the death of him. And I bet lower than 15; single digits is a distinct possibility.
And there's no way that PP is going to eke out a victory - which will be the death of him. Scheer made significant gains from 2015 in his only election. I was surprised they dumped him so quick. And in the following election O'Toole lost about the same % of vote as Trudeau did - but gone.
The Conservatives are brittle - the only way Poilievre may survive is if the NDP+Liberal seats are less than 172. Which currently seems unlikely, even though the Conservatives have a bit of momentum heading into the final polling day.
Obama could have beaten Trump (other than the 3rd term issue).
I simply can't accept opinions that you can only run a white male to beat a racist - to me this is racism.
Freeland couldn't have won this, because she was the deputy PM for much of the last decade. And I don't think she has the kind of character that can enthuse and excite people to come out to vote. I doubt any white males in the current caucus could have either.
Though who knows ... Liberals always seem to gain support during an election - they came from 3rd in 2015 to win a majority. Once everything starts coming out, the Conservatives are just too woke about social issues for many people's tastes.
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adma
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(1) Re "death of him": even if he *did* "pull a Stiles" and get over 15 seats, who says that this *wasn't* Singh's last campaign, anyway? Not about being pushed out by an angry and embarrassed party; but more simply about going on to other things and maybe putting his young family et al first--a "graceful" sort of "graceless end", and not in a way that fed into personal ego and psychodrama, either. Like he was always quietly planning to wind things down--maybe not entirely unlike how Andrea Horwath left on her own accord after a disappointing-yet-not-disappointing '22
And as for the Libs always seeming to gain support during an election: of course, Iggy in '11--and, provincially, Wynne in '18--are significant exceptions, and in both cases on behalf of a NDP wave. But also '06, because of how sponsorship scandal revelations happened mid-election...
afransen
Senior Member
My employer conceives of the country as BC-MB+NW Ontario as 'west', and everything else as 'east'. The divide being the Canadian Shield in Ontario. East is Ontario, Quebec, Atlantic.
evandyk
Senior Member
To me, Ontario ends and the West starts somewhere between Thunder Bay and Dryden.
nfitz
Superstar
Good point, often would have been a better description. Though I'm only thinking federally - there's other provincial examples, such as Peterson in 1990.
Yes, it could well have been the end of Singh anyhow, even if he could have held 25 seats. Though if it's a minority with Singh holding the balance, I'd expect a desire to continue. Singh has hardly been a failure with the pressure he's applied to the Liberals to get the Pharmacare and Dental Care going - which I suspect one day will be considered sacrosanct. Even know the Conservatives are reluctant to trash them, even if the expansion of them is pretty much dead.
nfitz
Superstar
Not sure that means much - my old employer considered the Maritimes as "Northeast Canada". (and we've certainly heard BC called the Pacific Northwest before).
Ontario and Quebec are so utterly different than the four Eastern provinces, that it seems weird to lump them together.
lenaitch
Senior Member
That fails even on a rudimentary geological level. That would start 'the west' around the Severn River in Central Ontario and include the Kingston area in 'the west'.
What did they consider 'southeast Canada' and the 'Pacific southwest'?
PL1
Senior Member
Pacific Northwest refers to the US, and BC is getting lazily lumped in with Oregon and Washington. The term doesn't work in a Canadian context, IMO
picard102
Senior Member
As someone from Fort Frances, this does not track.
T3G
Senior Member
This is a headache inducing map. Love how only half of the cardinal directions are represented and the "west" doesn't even include the westernmost part of the country!!!BC’s its own animal.
evandyk
Senior Member
I'm not sure if that's Ontario, Manitoba or Minnesota, but it's not part of central Canada.