micheal_can
Senior Member
If they decided to change to a phased approach, could it be done and the public be placated with that?
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Amare
Senior Member
Again, it's not possible for the Eglinton Line to open in a phased way.
As much as I bash Metrolinx for screwing up this project in a way no one else could, if there's work being done at various parts throughout the line, you simply cant run trains in/out of work zones. Remember, trains have to be dispatched from the MSF daily and once they are done service they must return back. It's not feasible to park trains along time line just to run service, nor is it feasible to run trains for a couple stations for the sake of "running service". This is a simple explanation of why a phased opening is not possible, i've gone into detail in the past as to why it cant be done.
drum118
Superstar
I guess the trackwork and station work on the grade section don't count from opening up the line now??
Have you talked to TTC to see what impact the surface route will have on their existing service??
Did you forget where the surface line can only run not using the underground station??
Moving anything in the tunnel and underground stations have safety issues 100% regardless been deadhead.
EnviroTO
Senior Member
A phased approach that was planned from the beginning would have worked, but a phased opening planned late in the game doesn't work when you are not the general contractor. The old delivery method would have had TTC as the general contractor paying for all the little pieces of work contracted out, and if all the pieces were done safely in an area they could decide to open that part up. Any new cost related to changes in phased opening would be evaluated and under the control of the TTC.
In the current Crosstown delivery method the whole delivery was outsourced as a fix bid and delivery hasn't gone as well as expected meaning Crosslinx probably isn't making as much as they would have hoped. No doubt, any launch of service would be used to negotiate new billings to Metrolinx and would have legal costs involved. You need to move a train through the station not fully signed off on... that is going to throw off our whole delivery plan please pay. Every single thing not to original contract and plan would be a way for the vendor to get money back or to escape the scrutiny of the team ensuring all components have been delivered to specification.
In the current Crosstown delivery method the whole delivery was outsourced as a fix bid and delivery hasn't gone as well as expected meaning Crosslinx probably isn't making as much as they would have hoped. No doubt, any launch of service would be used to negotiate new billings to Metrolinx and would have legal costs involved. You need to move a train through the station not fully signed off on... that is going to throw off our whole delivery plan please pay. Every single thing not to original contract and plan would be a way for the vendor to get money back or to escape the scrutiny of the team ensuring all components have been delivered to specification.
youngblood
Active Member
So is Verster still providing an update this month?
Rainforest
Senior Member
Thank you, this is the best explanation of the current state.
Although, they should have added something to that effect to the contract wording. If the general contractor is unable to open the whole line on-schedule, then they must make a reasonable effort to safely open the section next to the LSF. In our case, from Mt Dennis to the Eglinton West subway.
urbancog
Active Member
There's a Metrolinx Board Meeting on Thu 30-Nov. No doubt the Board members will get an update, in camera, and *perhaps* we who pay their salaries will hear something.
Jane2021
New Member
Don’t know if this was posted before but I saw this picture on Reddit looks like the new connection between Line 1 and 5
ViewerOfToronto
New Member
There were 2 similar photos in the Eglinton station thread. Regardless, still nice to put a photo here.
drum118
Superstar
Nov 25
Mount Dennis, Keelesdale and Caledonia stations are ready for the surface area and no one working on the site today. No idea what is needed for Keelesdale and Caledonia stations since they are underground and out of sight. See nothing for Mount Dennis.
All the stations and entrance have the black/orange T post up now.
Mount Dennis, Keelesdale and Caledonia stations are ready for the surface area and no one working on the site today. No idea what is needed for Keelesdale and Caledonia stations since they are underground and out of sight. See nothing for Mount Dennis.
All the stations and entrance have the black/orange T post up now.
dowlingm
Senior Member
There has been landscaping work going on around both the Sunnybrook Park stop and also the large area south of Eglinton near the tunnel portal in the last few weeks, resulting in lane closures in the 8-9am time period. If service were imminent it would be one thing, but with nothing but test trams moving it is irritating AF, given not only the vehicle congestion but the masses of 34/51/54 buses trying to get through.
reteequa
Active Member
So I moved to western Canada almost three years ago now. At the time I was thinking the first time im back in Ontario ill be able to ride the new line 5, this will now be my 5th time back to Ontario on Wednesday since that first time and its still not open. I'll be in Toronto for a day any recommendations on where on the line I should visit to be able to see the more or experience the line as close to it being open?
drum118
Superstar
You can see the east end that that is at grade from west of Kennedy Rd to Leslie street with the underground station at Don Mills. It been ready over a year or 2.
You can walk up to the window of Mount Dennis Station on the east side of the rail corridor on Eglinton and see the platform and track.
Take a view from the roof of the retail area at Yonge and Eglinton north-west corner that gives you a view of both streets as well the Yonge Station Entrance.
You can see the Kennedy station 2 main entrance, Mount Dennis, Keelesdale and Caledonia stations that I follow that are ready to open as well the Don Mills area. Let other comment on the other stations since I don't visit them. You can also see some of the yard at Mount Dennis.
You can see the Mount Dennis GO Station that is far from opening up and can't see the UPX platforms.
crs1026
Superstar
Just ride the Eglinton bus end to end. You will be able to see the above ground portions, and will get a sense of how in the underground sections, the street is (mostly) pulling itself back together.
- Paul
- Paul
Allandale25
Senior Member
Update: https://x.com/Metrolinx/status/1730249064032182374?t=f5oMI5y0Aap-A0_rVQOF6w&s=08
Text of tweet:
Today, at the public session of the Metrolinx Board of Directors meeting (watch live: https://www.metrolinx.com/en/about-us/the-board/board-meetings/meeting-2023-11-30), Phil Verster, CEO shared details around the status and progress of the @CrosstownTO project:
“We will announce an opening date for the Eglinton Crosstown three months before opening day. We are not there yet. We are making sure everything is built right and operates correctly and safely. Our contractor, CTS, is finding issues that must be fixed before we can open the Eglinton Crosstown for safe and reliable passenger services.
We will host journalists in early December at the Eglinton and Yonge station, the largest and most complex station on the ECLRT, and where the final pieces of construction are now nearing completion. It will be a walk-through with first-hand visibility and Q&A about the five work streams that will fix the uncertainties and get us to opening day.”
Text of tweet:
Today, at the public session of the Metrolinx Board of Directors meeting (watch live: https://www.metrolinx.com/en/about-us/the-board/board-meetings/meeting-2023-11-30), Phil Verster, CEO shared details around the status and progress of the @CrosstownTO project:
“We will announce an opening date for the Eglinton Crosstown three months before opening day. We are not there yet. We are making sure everything is built right and operates correctly and safely. Our contractor, CTS, is finding issues that must be fixed before we can open the Eglinton Crosstown for safe and reliable passenger services.
We will host journalists in early December at the Eglinton and Yonge station, the largest and most complex station on the ECLRT, and where the final pieces of construction are now nearing completion. It will be a walk-through with first-hand visibility and Q&A about the five work streams that will fix the uncertainties and get us to opening day.”