Vminkov
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any update/summary from last night's meeting?
Toronto 656 Danforth Avenue | 160.73m | 49s | Del Boca Vista Properties Inc | Studio JCI
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HousingNowTO
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300+ attendees. So everything from rational to totally bonkers in the chat & verbal Q/A.
Fletcher did Fletcher --- blaming Ford and the Ontario Line, etc. with incomplete / incorrect facts...
...someone compared it to the "Holocaust", etc.
Northern Light
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Some of these are more silly/problematic than others.
But what's safe to say is that the word 'holocaust' was used most unwisely there.
Equally, Councillor Fletcher really has to go. Not so much for her opinions (mostly) or even her votes (mostly) but for the fact she well and truly has no clue.
I would be remiss if I didn't thank @HousingNowTO for his patience in monitoring public meetings, something I tend to avoid like the plague if I can.
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HousingNowTO
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HousingNowTO
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HousingNowTO
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Didn't screenshot the developer slides... because this site is clearly going to the OLT on a developer appeal --- or getting a MZO.
Northern Light
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I also don't see a planning approval happening of the current version, as-is.
i happen to think there's real room for improvement here in terms of architecture, setbacks and streetscapes.
I'm not unduly phased by the height, but in light of context/precedent it is a very large ask.
Absent an MZO, I'm not confident what you see here would actually fly at the OLT. They lean developer-friendly, but that would be one hell of a precedent.
Regardless, I'm inclined to think it heads that way, with some likelihood of a settlement near to the hearing date.
Possible we could just see a re-submission here though; doesn't seem like the world's most experienced team; will they blink? Dunno.
GioBuild
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New precedents have to be set. Toronto is a very big city and it's going to continue to grow. The idea of 2.5 GFA on properties so close to a subway line is absolutely ridiculous.
Toronto is on pace to hit 10 million quicker than many people think. We have to build and a lot.
Northern Light
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We're not disagreeing at all.
I simply stated that I don't see this going ahead as currently proposed.
I'm not suggesting it will be haircut down to a midrise or anything.
As I noted, I'm not even phased by by the height per se; but I do think the massing and architectural expression leave considerable room for improvement.
Irrespective of what I am or am not phased by though, I think one probably does get a bit of a hair cut; but we shall see.
Towered
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I'm guessing they'll get 32 floors.
i3uild
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It'll land in the high 30's and be listed for sale the next day.
realpolytics
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Lol so everyone else in the area has to give 12.5m setbacks and this proposal is 9M and 2M...convenient.
Northern Light
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Ok, so I think its important to say that this building has not been approved and an 'ask' is not a 'get'.
But perhaps more important here, I have to correct your perception of what you are seeing.
The 12.5m comes from the requirement for a 25M separation distance between towers.
When you're looking at this building, the 9M setback is from Pape, there will be no towers on Pape itself (the road), you'll note the assumption for the facing building on the other site (which isn't a real proposal by the way), this is a hypothetical 'block context plan'........ is 11M; if you add the 11M, to the 9M + the width of Pape, you're well over 25M separation.
The 2M setback is based on Mx proposing a 3-storey transit station next to this with no tower above.
Ward14-Danforth
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Correct - and if Metrolinx proposes a second tower above the track there appears to be enough room to have 25M tower separation between the three towers on the block. The 3M east setback 'ask' may have to change however to achieve those separations