unrealestate
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It makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills trying to rationalize how transit is built and run in Toronto. Years and billions spent only to have TTC neuter the line with insanely slow operations. Like WTAF are we doing?
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Finch West Line 6 LRT
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Bojaxs
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Yes, yes, but just think of all the capacity we're gaining.
Stretch your legs out and enjoy the ride. Why are you in such a rush? Take life slow. Just as Toronto transit planners intended for us.
A 6264
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You are probably being sarcastic, but I think you're right. Officials now seem to be saying the line was not built for speed, but for comfort. In that case, they were probably lucky to have opening ceremonies during a snowstorm!Yes, yes, but just think of all the capacity we're gaining.
Stretch your legs out and enjoy the ride. Why are you in such a rush? Take life slow. Just as Toronto transit planners intended for us.
denfromoakvillemilton
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Ok so I rode this line
Good
-it's very nicely designed, simple and easy to get to
-very clean (for now)
-full of transit nerds midday
Bad
-it.is.slow. It moves at barely 20 km/h per hour, which is slower than walking from stop to stop
-feels like the supplement bus is doing a lot of the lifting
-hedways are too long. It's cold. It should be close the to downtown streetcars
This line needs transit priority asap, otherwise I think it is ok. But people are going to turn against LRT if they don't speed it up...
Good
-it's very nicely designed, simple and easy to get to
-very clean (for now)
-full of transit nerds midday
Bad
-it.is.slow. It moves at barely 20 km/h per hour, which is slower than walking from stop to stop
-feels like the supplement bus is doing a lot of the lifting
-hedways are too long. It's cold. It should be close the to downtown streetcars
This line needs transit priority asap, otherwise I think it is ok. But people are going to turn against LRT if they don't speed it up...
Bojaxs
Senior Member
They don't care. They'll never have to ride it. They'll fly by these trains in their luxury SUVs. They'll come and do their photoshoots and then never step foot in these trains again for years until another photoshoot/ announcement is warranted.
Rich & wealthy think their "time" is more valuable than everyone else's. Slow transit gets built in neighbourhoods where the inhabitants "time" isn't valued. The residents of NW Toronto have been deprived of rapid transit.
- "Here's your transit."
- It's slow
- "What do I care? I'll never have to ride it. Goodbye!"
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goreckm
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This seems perfectly reasonable if the trains on the surface were running at a consistent speed, but they won't be. Sometimes they'll be stopped at a redlight for several minutes. Does that means all trains in the tunnel will just extend their dwell times to compensate?
T3G
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Why do you think those trains in the tunnel will not also be stopped at red lights for several minutes?
Perhaps they won't all hit the exact same intersection for the same duration of time, but it makes little difference if one hits the lights at Victoria Park and another at Birchmount and another at Ionview and another at Leslie and another at Pharmacy, it all averages out, just like some subway trains encounter very heavy loads and some encounter lighter loads, depending on what has been occurring above them.
Bojaxs
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A 6264
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Now there's something we do agree on!
Monarch Butterfly
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Rumour has it that some of the dignitaries at the official opening rode the Line 6 train, then got off to continue their journeys elsewhere by their limousines.or SUVs.
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youngblood
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A 6264
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No, it just means that some parts of the slow/surface line run slower than others. It doesn't change the principle one bit.
I like TG3's explanation of why "bunching" occurs. It has nothing to do with other causes suggested here. (It may have been on the Eglinton thread; this discussion is straddling 2 threads at once.)
T3G
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Look, man, I've tried to engage on this point in good faith with you. Me and quite a few others have explained why this is an overstated concern. If you don't want to believe us, that is your prerogative, but you're barking up the wrong tree here. The experience with Finch causes justifiable concern about how the 5 will be operated, but this is completely and totally focusing on the wrong thing. When you understand why bunching is not caused on the 900/927/MiWay 11/35/109 bus at the exit to the highway, despite the dramatic difference in operational speeds on the highway vs. on the city street, you'll understand the principle at play on Eglinton, too.
I can, because grade separated lines are subject to operational irregularities, just like any other form of transportation.
Look, man, I've tried to engage on this point in good faith with you. Me and quite a few others have explained why this is an overstated concern. If you don't want to believe us, that is your prerogative, but you're barking up the wrong tree here. The experience with Finch causes justifiable concern about how the 5 will be operated, but this is completely and totally focusing on the wrong thing. When you understand why bunching is not caused on the 900/927/MiWay 11/35/109 bus at the exit to the highway, despite the dramatic difference in operational speeds on the highway vs. on the city street, you'll understand the principle at play on Eglinton, too.
A 6264
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Do we really need funding to fix this? Or can we just flip a switch and turn it on?
Bojaxs
Senior Member
I'm no longer suggesting "bunching", but what I am suggesting is that we'll see extended dwell times at platforms. I already said this in an earlier post in the Line 5 thread.
EDIT: @eglinton1661 answered my question when he explained that Laird station was designed to allow for short turning of trains.
Anyways, I'm done. This is a Line 6 thread.