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AlvinofDiaspar said:
Once the TBM started rolling there wouldn't be much point in stopping I'd imagine. Eglinton West never got to that stage back in 95.
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in all honesty, I think it would come down to whoever is sitting in the Premier's chair -- and how motivated they were to spend or save $8.4 billion on transit projects for 416.

Remember that killing the Eglinton subway was an act of important political symbolism for the last bunch of blues.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
Hopefully that day is before the next municipal or provincial elections. Has Metrolinx said when the expect the LRT to be completed? I know that they said it should be done in 2020 but I think that was with everything buried.
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Hopefully someone can still cancel the Brentcliffe to Don Mills section - which is currently planned for median and not side of road. The first phase is to tunnel from Black Creek to Chaplin. Hopefully before they progress any further than that, someone will realize the benefits of not being in the middle of the street for this stretch.
 
Aren't they going to start digging near Brentcliffe in the next year or so to build the portal and the pit to put the second set of TBMs in? At that point, they'll be pretty tied down by where the Portal is (middle of road or to the side).
 
BurlOak said:
Hopefully someone can still cancel the Brentcliffe to Don Mills section - which is currently planned for median and not side of road. The first phase is to tunnel from Black Creek to Chaplin. Hopefully before they progress any further than that, someone will realize the benefits of not being in the middle of the street for this stretch.
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Have you considered calling a councillor about this? Posting it on UT won't do much good.
 
Northern Magus said:
in all honesty, I think it would come down to whoever is sitting in the Premier's chair -- and how motivated they were to spend or save $8.4 billion on transit projects for 416.

Remember that killing the Eglinton subway was an act of important political symbolism for the last bunch of blues.
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The problem then was that Rae decided to fund both a shorter Sheppard subway and shorter Eglinton subway to appease all concerned instead of just building one full subway line at Eglinton. Thats the problem when you try to please everyone instead of doing what makes sense
 
raquel said:
Another ethnic group has entered this debate/issue. The Canadian Hindu Advocacy has thrown their hat in favor of Ford's subway plans. Their director Ron Banerjee has started a blog on this, and has published before on subways/TTC issue:

His previous post http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/05/27/comment-the-better-way-is-in-new-delhi/

Latest posting: http://www.coldclearlogic.com/2012/03/17/toronto-transit-subways-or-lrt/
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Wio cares that another ethnic group has entered the debate. This is getting crazier by the minute. And the fact he starts his post with "subways vs streetcars"
 
Palma said:
The problem then was that Rae decided to fund both a shorter Sheppard subway and shorter Eglinton subway to appease all concerned instead of just building one full subway line at Eglinton. Thats the problem when you try to please everyone instead of doing what makes sense
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IIRC, TTC wanted a BRT on Eglinton and Subway on Sheppard. Rae instead funded a shorter subway on Sheppard and shorter subway on Eglinton.

Harris actually did the right thing in cancelling Eglinton as a subway. Numbers didn't support it then and they still don't. Sadly, we never did get the Eglinton BRT.
 
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rbt said:
IIRC, TTC wanted a BRT on Eglinton and Subway on Sheppard. Rae instead funded a shorter subway on Sheppard and shorter subway on Eglinton.

Harris actually did the right thing in cancelling Eglinton as a subway. Numbers didn't support it then and they still don't. Sadly, we never did get the Eglinton BRT.
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I feel if it was U T Scarborough to Pearson the numbers(what ever they were) would have been higher.
 
rbt said:
IIRC, TTC wanted a BRT on Eglinton and Subway on Sheppard. Rae instead funded a shorter subway on Sheppard and shorter subway on Eglinton.

Harris actually did the right thing in cancelling Eglinton as a subway. Numbers didn't support it then and they still don't. Sadly, we never did get the Eglinton BRT.
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And the numbers warranted Sheppard? A subway should not have gone on a northern avenue (Shepoard) before a southern one (Eglinton) which is a more central avenue. It would be the same as building a subway along Eglinton instead of Bloor/Danforth back in the 50's. Population expands from the core of the city (south) to north (as in suburbs). If a subway is not warranted along a route that is more south and closer to the core then it is not warranted along a route north of it.

And it is hard to believe the TTC wanted Sheppard since they have always said it is more expensive to service areas less dense less then the city. They resisted the elimination of a single fare system with the zone fare system they had - the longer the trip the greater the fare. But all that changed when the politicization of the TTC and the elimination of zoner fare system so obviously if the TTC wanted the Sheppard subway it was because of behind the scene manovering of politicians (especially Lastman)
 
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Palma said:
And the numbers warranted Sheppard?
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Well yes, but only if you optomistically assume (as they did) that both NYCC and SCC would have a dozen office towers each by this point and continued growth.

Neither region has grown nearly as much as was anticipated. McGuinty's growth zone plans will likely have the same fate since they work under similar assumptions.

We should be building like Chicago (multiple lines intersecting in downtown) instead of trying to reproduce the failure that is the G-line in New York.
 
rbt said:
IIRC, TTC wanted a BRT on Eglinton and Subway on Sheppard. Rae instead funded a shorter subway on Sheppard and shorter subway on Eglinton.

Harris actually did the right thing in cancelling Eglinton as a subway. Numbers didn't support it then and they still don't. Sadly, we never did get the Eglinton BRT.
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Eglinton subway is badly needed. The central sections of Eglinton are traffic choked close to 24/7 so the current bus service is totally ineffective. Plus Eglinton to the airport would serve a major employment area in Mississauga, relieving a very busy section of 401, and is arguably more important than Sheppard.

The major disadvantage of Sheppard I can see is that NYCC employment has lagged (unlike employment near Pearson) and also it would get most of its ridership in peak hours because at other times 401 is much faster. Eglinton traffic is much much worse than Sheppard/401.

If there is no funding for Sheppard subway it makes more sense to build less expensive BRT instead of LRT, then Finch East can get BRT too and Scarborough Centre can keep the bus route 190 service.
 
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